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Posted by Koovo - 2009/03/12 09:06
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Is Odyssey Online Classic related to multiplayer online role-playing game (MORPG) creation engines like Playerworlds
or Elysium? I heard from one developer that a man by the name of Chris Kremer, aka Consty, made a game inspired
from Odyssey titled Mirage Realms. I’m curious because a community has emerged over the years birthed from Mirage
altered as an MORPG engine. What is the history behind this game (Odyssey)? Is it part of the MORPG scene?
As for the acronym, a multiplayer online role-playing game is a much smaller version of an MMORPG. Sometimes these
games are described as being an online role-playing game (ORPG), but I think this term is too generalized. Any RPG
can be online such as a play-by-post RPG forum.
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Re:History
Posted by Luck - 2009/03/13 06:33
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I remember someone once talking to me about this. I think they said that the Playerworlds or Mirage engine was based
off of the Odyssey source. Or something like this. There aren't too many people around that would know much about this
topic. Remote most likely knows more.
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Re:History
Posted by Koovo - 2009/05/08 00:12
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Bump it up! Where is remote?
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Re:History
Posted by Wilbur - 2009/07/20 17:25
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If I recall correctly, Consty is a BASTARD who stole the Ody source and then put out mirage and was a complete ASS.
At least Zer made Faldon from scratch.
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Re:History
Posted by remote - 2009/07/21 11:14
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Yeah Mirage was based off the Odyssey source and so was playerworlds. This is why they share many similarities,
although they have got much different as time has passed.
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Re:History
Posted by Koovo - 2009/07/21 14:38
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Cool. Thanks for clearing that up. One more thing, where did Odyssey come from?
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Re:History
Posted by Wilbur - 2009/07/21 21:11
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Maybe u want Mote's reply, but the basics are it was created from scratch by a HS student back in the later 90's. He
went by Bugaboo, and he ROCKED. But he got it all going pretty simply and then got considerable help along the way
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over the years concerning every aspect of the game.
This Ody (Remotes) although certainly retains much of what Ody became, it's (imho) like 70+%
different/improved/updated/coded. Bob would know better about this, and might very well say it's 95% improved coding,
and could be . Nobody ever did what Bob has done for the history of Ody and keeping it going. I consider this Bob's
game outright these days, and he deserves respect for it.
Lastly, and my memory is crap these days (I'm a bit old, remember?)... Mirage truly stole/used much of Ody's code and
to me was complete robbery back in the day (still would be). I don't care what Consty did during his time with original
Ody, but he certainly shouldn't have done what he did. Playerworlds although I believe got ideas from Ody, and stole
sprites and other such things (as Mirage did much more of), was not outright stolen, but who knows. All three were done
in VB 5-6+ back in the day I believe, hence other similarities.
I'm sure other online MMPOGs or wutever u want to call them still exist, but Ody was one of the earliest to do so
successfully in VB and have a decent following.
Oink!
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Re:History
Posted by remote - 2009/07/22 11:42
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There is still a lot of Bugaboo's code left in the game for sure. I would say 50-60% of it has been redone, but his
influence is definitely still in the code.
I have tried to keep what makes Odyssey fun in the code, while also trying new things and innovating and keeping it up
to date with the times (as much as can be done with a 2d game). A lot of what we have tried has worked and a lot of it
hasn't. It's always an ongoing challenge, but it's a lot of fun and it's always improving.
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Re:History
Posted by Koovo - 2009/07/22 19:55
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Are you guys absolutely sure Consty stole the code? Remote isn't saying different, but I want to be certain. One more
thing, is Odyssey programmed in Visual Basic 6 and will it eventually be recoded in VB.Net? Some of the MORPG
engines are moving in that direction.
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Re:History
Posted by Pures Lawyer - 2009/07/22 20:34
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Well, odyssey is all original code so what does that tell you, they either stole it or didn't, odyssey didn't copy them.
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Re:History
Posted by Wilbur - 2009/07/23 05:14
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Not my place to get into any business aspects here
But if I happened to see Kris Creamer in rl, I'd leave some permanent damage. But that applies to many in Ody
"Based on source"..... I'm working on a new OS, it's based on Windows source code. Care to join my startup?
Oink!
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